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What Howard Marks is saying

Co-chairman, Oaktree Capital

43 dated public stances tracked since 2015-11-11, most recently 2026-06-12. Each line carries the date and the venue it came from; quotation marks mean verbatim. Methodology.

The stances below are c8alpha's editorial distillation of Howard Marks's public commentary — television, podcasts, and interviews — compiled by automated transcript analysis and dated to the episode they came from. They may lag the speaker's current view and may contain extraction errors. Text in quotation marks is verbatim from the episode; everything else is our paraphrase. Howard Marks is not affiliated with c8alpha and has not endorsed this page. Nothing here is investment advice.

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43
tracked stances
23
themes
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2026-06-12
last heard
Returns  90d -2.0% (n=19) · 180d -0.9% (n=18) · 1y -3.6% (n=14)

Raw direction-aware returns on public statements — long calls credited when the price rose, shorts when it fell, shorts capped at −100% — in a rising market this mostly measures who was long, not who has skill. Returns run from the stance date; calls are rarely closed publicly, so fixed 90-day / 180-day / 1-year horizons are used. A horizon shows only once it has fully matured, and only at 5+ scored stances.

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Where the tracked view on a theme reversed between appearances — bullish to bearish or back. Dates are the episodes on each side of the turn.

USTS — bullish2025-08-21 → bearish2026-03-18

Most-argued themes

ThemeStancesLeanMixLast
USTS97 bullish / 1 bearish / 1 neutral2026-03-18
SPX76 bearish / 1 neutral2026-03-02
Private Credit42 bullish / 2 neutral2026-03-24
AI / AI-RELATED EQUITIES (BROAD THEME)11 bearish2026-03-02
AI / TECH COMPANY EQUITY VS. DEBT11 bullish2026-03-18
BITCOIN11 neutral2026-03-02

Tracked stances

bullish / bearish is a view they argued; owns / short is a position they said they hold.

2026-06-12 SOFTWARE SECTOR CREDIT / DISTRESSED DEBT IN SOFTWARE bullish Howard Marks · video
Market worry about distressed debt spiking in the software sector is universally excessive because revenues are not declining and most companies have no problem servicing debt, so actual defaults will be far fewer than feared
“I personally think the level of worry and the universality of worry with regard to software is probably excessive”
Catching Up With Power Investors Howard Marks and Bruce Flatt | At Barron's
2026-03-24 Private Credit neutral video
A flood of capital and competing managers into direct lending has compressed spreads to only 100–125bps over public credit — adequate but no longer excess-return territory, making it unattractive for alpha-seeking allocators
“excess returns disappeared from direct lending. Direct lending was fine, was fair”
2026-03-18 USTS bearish Howard Marks · video
Google issuing 100-year bonds at 5.8% exemplifies peak market optimism and credulousness, making such instruments unlikely to produce returns commensurate with the risk over such an unknowable timeframe
“optimism, not pessimism, credulousness, not skepticism, are in the ascendancy today”
90d +0.3%
Oaktree's Marks Weighs In on Big Tech Debt Sales
2026-03-18 AI / TECH COMPANY EQUITY VS. DEBT bullish Howard Marks · video
For companies exposed to AI, buying equity rather than lending (buying bonds) is preferable because equity captures the upside if the AI thesis plays out, while debt only offers a fixed return with full downside risk
“if you're going to put money into a company exposed to AI, you should probably buy the stock”
Oaktree's Marks Weighs In on Big Tech Debt Sales
2026-03-18 Private Credit neutral video
The liquidity premium for private credit has compressed to roughly 125bps over public credit — adequate but not lush — meaning private credit has lost its specialness and is now at parity with public markets
“private was at equilibrium with public. It was a fair deal, but not more”
2026-03-18 long AI / TECH COMPANY EQUITIES / short USTS pair video
AI companies carry fundamental business-model risk over multi-year horizons that is unknowable, so investors bearing that risk should own equity for upside rather than accept capped bond returns
“if you're going to put money into a company who's supposed to AI, you should probably buy the stock”
2026-03-02 MAGNIFICENT 7 (EX-TESLA) bullish Howard Marks · video
Six of the Magnificent 7 trade at ~30x earnings, roughly double the historical S&P average but far below the Nifty 50 bubble multiples of 60-90x, and their dominant moats, scale, and near-zero marginal cost economics justify elevated valuations.
“30 looks like a bargain to me for a truly great company”
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-03-02 AI / AI-RELATED EQUITIES (BROAD THEME) bearish Howard Marks · video
AI exhibits classic indicia of bubble behavior—e.g., a secretive startup raising $2B with no disclosed product at a $12B valuation—suggesting prices may be irrational relative to intrinsic value, though the technology's transformative potential makes the…
“we have what the lawyers call indicia of bubble behavior”
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-03-02 SPX bearish Howard Marks · video
The 493 non-Magnificent-7 S&P 500 companies trade at ~18-19x earnings, above the 80-year historical average of 16x, inflated by passive index-buying flows rather than fundamental merit, making them overpriced relative to intrinsic value.
“I think that's where the error lies...people have embraced indexation to the S&P as the default solution”
90d -10.8% · 180d -12.4%
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-03-02 PRIVATE EQUITY / LEVERAGED BUYOUTS bearish Howard Marks · video
Private equity's historical outperformance was largely driven by a 40-year tailwind of declining interest rates that simultaneously raised asset values and cut borrowing costs; with rates now structurally higher, it is no longer rational to expect similar…
“It would not be rational”
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-03-02 TSLA bearish Howard Marks · video
Tesla trades at a much higher multiple than its Magnificent 7 peers while generating comparatively little earnings, making it the outlier exception that is difficult to justify on fundamentals.
“Tesla is the exception...sells at much higher multiple and doesn't make much money”
90d -3.1% · 180d +8.8%
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-03-02 GOLD neutral Howard Marks · video
Gold produces no cash flow and therefore has no analytical framework to determine fair value; its status as a store of value rests entirely on circular collective belief rather than any intrinsic economic mechanism.
“there's nothing that makes gold a store of value other than the fact that people treat it as a store of value”
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-03-02 BITCOIN neutral Howard Marks · video
Bitcoin has no intrinsic value and no cash-flow mechanism to anchor a fair price, deriving worth solely from collective human agreement, placing it in the same analytically unverifiable category as gold and other non-cash-producing assets.
“Bitcoin has no value other than the value that people accorded”
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-03-02 long MSFT / short SPX pair Howard Marks · video
Passive indexation mechanically bids up all S&P constituents, inflating the 493 non-Magnificent-7 names to 18-19x PE — above the 80-year historical average of 16x — while the Mag 7 at roughly 30x is defensible given dominant moats, near-zero marginal costs on…
“people automatically put money into the S&P companies which I think causes a bunch of them to be selling at prices above what they're worth”
90d +2.5% · 180d +7.7%
Fireside Chat with Howard Marks of Oaktree Capital Management
2026-01-05 Investment Grade Credit bullish video
Non-investment grade lending instruments contractually yield 7-8-9% today while the S&P 500 is priced to return ~2% or less, making credit a superior risk-adjusted allocation and warranting an overweight shift from equities toward lending in most portfolios
“if you can buy lending securities with a promise of 7 8% return why would you invest in speculative uncertain ownership strategies”
90d -0.3% · 180d +0.6%
2026-01-05 SPX neutral video
The S&P 500 is priced for subnormal returns of roughly 2% or less because the non-Mag7 constituents trade at ~19-20x earnings versus a historical average of 14-15x, making the index expensive on a broad basis even though the Mag7 at ~30x are not insanely dear
“the S&P 500 is priced to give subnormal returns today of like two or less”
2026-01-05 MICRO-CAP STABLE BUSINESSES (SUB-$1B MARKET CAP) bullish video
Stable companies with market caps below $1B are systematically overlooked because institutional money managers with significant AUM cannot economically cover them, creating a persistent undervaluation that makes the space a viable hunting ground
“micro caps would mostly be undervalued... probably a good place to look”
2025-08-21 USTS bullish Howard Marks · video
Credit offers contractual returns approaching 6%+ with defensive downside protection versus elevated equity valuations; even tight spreads (as tight as 1998) historically delivered fine outcomes over 27-year horizons
“a contractual guarantee approaching something in the sixes over the next 10 years is more defensive than being in the stock market”
90d +2.4% · 180d +4.0% · 1y +1.3%
US Stocks 'In The Early Days' For A Bubble Says Oaktree’s Howard Marks
2025-08-21 NON-US INTERNATIONAL EQUITIES bullish Howard Marks · video
International equities trade at cheaper valuations than the US, offering reasonable diversification value even if underlying business quality is lower, as the US may be 'a little less best than it used to be'
“if they're on sale relative to the US it's not unreasonable to want some representation”
US Stocks 'In The Early Days' For A Bubble Says Oaktree’s Howard Marks
2025-08-21 SPX bearish Howard Marks · video
The other 493 S&P stocks carry high valuations relative to history despite being average-quality companies, which is more alarming than exceptional valuations on exceptional companies like the Mag 7
“high valuations are being applied to more average companies... more alarming”
90d -4.5% · 180d -8.1% · 1y -21.8%
US Stocks 'In The Early Days' For A Bubble Says Oaktree’s Howard Marks
2025-08-20 SPX bearish Howard Marks · video
The other 493 S&P 500 stocks are highly valued relative to history yet are not exceptional-quality companies, making elevated valuations applied to average companies more alarming than high valuations on the Magnificent 7
“exceptional valuations are being applied to exceptional companies”
90d -3.7% · 180d -7.6% · 1y -20.8%
Oaktree’s Marks Says Stocks Are in Early Days of a Bubble (full interview)
2025-08-20 USTS bullish Howard Marks · video
Credit offers a contractual promised return in the high single digits that is highly likely to deliver mid-to-high single-digit net returns over 10 years, making it more defensive than equities at current elevated stock valuations even with tight spreads
“a contractual guarantee approaching something in the sixes over the next 10 years is more defensive than being in the stock market”
90d +2.2% · 180d +3.7% · 1y +1.2%
Oaktree’s Marks Says Stocks Are in Early Days of a Bubble (full interview)
2025-04-16 USTS bullish Howard Marks · video
High yield bonds currently yield 7.3% contractually, which compares favorably to S&P 500 expected low single-digit returns with far greater uncertainty, making the risk-adjusted case compelling
“If you can get low single-digit returns from the S&P with great uncertainty and 7.3 from high yield bonds contractually, isn't it better?”
90d -0.1% · 180d +4.1% · 1y +4.4%
Howard Marks: Global Alts Miami 2025
2025-04-16 SPX bearish Howard Marks · video
At current PE ratios, historical data shows S&P returns of minus 2% to 2% over a decade, making equities unattractive relative to high yield bonds offering 7.3% contractually
“The outlook for ownership returns is not as good as it usually is relative to the risks entailed”
90d -18.7% · 180d -26.9% · 1y -35.0%
Howard Marks: Global Alts Miami 2025
2025-04-16 NVDA bearish Howard Marks · video
The DeepSeek-driven selloff in Nvidia was driven by a specific competitive threat that was fundamentally justified, but the cascading selloff into unrelated assets was purely psychological, not fundamental
“The development with regard to Deep Seek was very specific, a competitive threat to their activity, full stop”
Howard Marks: Global Alts Miami 2025
2025-04-16 DISTRESSED DEBT / CREDIT OPPORTUNITIES owns Howard Marks · video
Companies saddled with capital structures built on ultra-low rates will struggle to refinance debt coming due in 2026-2027 at rates 400-500bps higher, creating significant distressed buying opportunities
“We've raised a big fund to do it, which is only half invested”
Howard Marks: Global Alts Miami 2025
2025-04-16 long USTS / short SPX pair Howard Marks · video
High yield bonds at 7.3% contractual yield are superior to equities where current S&P PE ratios historically imply low single-digit returns over the next decade and the equity risk premium has turned negative relative to treasuries for the first time since…
“if you can get low single-digit returns from the S&P with great uncertainty and 7.3 from high yield bonds contractually. Isn't it better?”
90d -9.4% · 180d -11.4% · 1y -15.3%
Howard Marks: Global Alts Miami 2025
2024-08-21 Private Credit bullish Howard Marks · video
Private credit yields in the double digits exceed most investors' required returns and carry less uncertainty than equity returns, making them attractive in a normalized interest-rate environment.
“yields on private credit are in the double digits”
90d +6.7% · 180d +16.6% · 1y +16.2%
Navigating the Sea Change with Howard Marks at Oaktree Conference 2024
2024-08-21 USTS bullish Howard Marks · video
The sea change from declining/ultra-low rates to a normalized higher-rate regime makes credit instruments offering high-single-digit yields highly competitive with historical equity returns and far more certain in their payoffs, reducing the need to take…
“lending or credit or fixed income investing may be better off today than equity investing”
90d -3.3% · 180d -3.3% · 1y +1.1%
Navigating the Sea Change with Howard Marks at Oaktree Conference 2024
2024-08-21 EQUITIES (BROAD) bearish Howard Marks · video
Strategies that produced superior performance during the era of declining and ultra-low rates—including equity and leveraged ownership strategies—may not deliver the same results in a normalized, higher-rate environment where profit margins, leverage…
“strategies that produce superior performance in the period of declining and ultra-low rates may not be the ones that do so in the years ahead”
Navigating the Sea Change with Howard Marks at Oaktree Conference 2024
2023-10-04 DISTRESSED DEBT bullish Howard Marks · video
Rising rates and tightening lending standards will force more companies to face unmet debt maturities, driving defaults toward and above the 4% long-run average after a 15-year suppression, creating a richer distressed debt opportunity set
“clearly many more companies are going to founder”
Oaktree's Howard Mark on Bloomberg Wealth with David Rubenstein
2023-10-04 Commercial Real Estate bearish Howard Marks · video
Commercial real estate borrowers face refinancing at lower loan amounts and much higher rates, creating a capital hole that many cannot fill and leading to widespread defaults
“you have less money and your cost of capital is higher and you have a $300 million hole you can't fill”
90d -22.4% · 180d -17.8% · 1y -35.1%
Oaktree's Howard Mark on Bloomberg Wealth with David Rubenstein
2023-10-04 USTS bullish Howard Marks · video
Higher-for-longer interest rates mean credit instruments now offer equity-like returns (high single digits to low double digits) with significantly more safety than equity, since creditors are paid before equity holders and can take the company in bankruptcy
“today you can get equity type returns from what we call credit instruments”
90d +7.1% · 180d +5.1% · 1y +11.5%
Oaktree's Howard Mark on Bloomberg Wealth with David Rubenstein
2023-10-04 PRIVATE EQUITY / VENTURE CAPITAL bearish Howard Marks · video
Private equity benefited from a decade of artificially low rates that inflated returns and disguised mediocre operators; as rates normalize to 2-4%, the tailwind reverses and relative attractiveness versus safer credit instruments diminishes
“all the geniuses of private equity...we've been benefited from low interest rates”
Oaktree's Howard Mark on Bloomberg Wealth with David Rubenstein
2023-10-03 Private Credit bullish Howard Marks · video
Private loans for large buyouts are currently yielding low double digits, offering equity-competitive returns with the structural safety advantage of senior credit claims over equity residuals
“low double digits on private loans for buyouts — double-digit returns, isn't that enough”
90d +9.2% · 180d +13.8% · 1y +21.8%
Howard Marks: You Can Get Equity Type Returns on Credit Instruments
2023-10-03 USTS bullish Howard Marks · video
High yield bonds and leveraged loans now offer high single-digit returns competitive with equities while carrying structurally superior safety because creditors are paid before equity holders and receive the company in bankruptcy
“you can get high single digits on high yield bonds and leverage loans”
90d +7.8% · 180d +5.8% · 1y +12.8%
Howard Marks: You Can Get Equity Type Returns on Credit Instruments
2023-06-01 HIGH-YIELD CREDIT bullish Howard Marks · video
Structurally higher base rates combined with adequate yield spreads produce the most attractive prospective credit returns in over a decade, reversing the era when high-yield bonds yielded as low as 2–3%
“we as credit investors have adequate base rates decent yield spreads and attractive total prospective returns”
2023 Value Investing Conference | Keynote Speaker: Howard Marks
2023-06-01 SPX bearish Howard Marks · video
At ~19x P/E versus a 16x post-war average, with a 5.5% earnings yield that does not clear current inflation, the index is modestly overvalued and due for adjustment as it has not yet repriced for a structurally higher-rate regime
“the Market's somewhat overvalued... the PE Ratio is 19 maybe on the S&P 500 the post-war average is 16”
2023 Value Investing Conference | Keynote Speaker: Howard Marks
2023-01-18 DISTRESSED DEBT / CREDIT bullish Howard Marks · video
Rising defaults toward more historically normal levels (~4%) create opportunities to buy distressed company debt at discounts where creditors can gain equity ownership at reasonable valuations in businesses with sound models
“we can buy the debt at a place in the capital structure where we create ownership in that company potentially at a reasonable valuation”
Oaktree's Howard Marks on Markets, Fed Rates, Inflation
2023-01-18 SPX bearish Howard Marks · video
Equity markets are currently pricing in significant optimism around a soft landing and Fed pivot, which Marks believes is not warranted given his expectation the Fed will remain restrictive, making current levels unattractive
“in many areas in the stock market a significant degree of optimism is ruling the day today”
Oaktree's Howard Marks on Markets, Fed Rates, Inflation
2023-01-18 USTS neutral Howard Marks · video
High yield prices are roughly fairly valued at current levels but yields will not continue to fall as the Fed intends to hold rates higher for longer throughout the year, limiting further upside
“the current prices are roughly sustainable...yields are not going to keep coming down in my opinion”
Oaktree's Howard Marks on Markets, Fed Rates, Inflation
2023-01-18 High Yield bullish Howard Marks · video
Higher default rates returning to ~4% historical norms create buying opportunities in debt of fundamentally viable companies where creditors can acquire ownership at reasonable capital-structure valuations
“buy the debt at a place in the capital structure where we create ownership in that company potentially at a reasonable valuation”
90d -0.2% · 180d +1.4% · 1y +6.9%
Oaktree's Howard Marks on Markets, Fed Rates, Inflation
2015-11-11 USTS bullish Howard Marks · video
High yield bonds at ~5% yields offer asymmetric downside — survivable credits pay a known coupon with optionality on credit upgrades or buyouts, and even a bad outcome at these yields is not fatal to a portfolio, unlike leveraged or equity risk
“nobody ever went broke making 5%... it's not going to be a fatal mistake”
Howard Marks: A Conversation with Howard Marks and Mike Milken (Milken Institute – 2013)

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